Hello,
Using of stitcher brought yet another problem to unexperienced users. I created my VR and now I want to publish it. Respectively provide my web developer with data, preferebly in flash format. Is there any way how to create VR in flash format straight from stitcher.
 
Or if you have any experience how to publish VR's in Java or pure HTML code, share your experience here please.
 
Thanks Mike
 

Hi Mike!
 
Perhaps another way to look at this equation:
You are the panographer - he/she is the web developer... If you provide the spherical/cubic images they should be able to pick up things from there - whether Java, Flash, XL.503, etc....
 
If you are not familiar with what ever coding is required you are asking for problems, and...
 
It's not your job it's theirs - any more than it's their job to tell you the hyperfocal distance of a 10.5mm lens at f/8 (4 ft. approx. in case you're challenged on this). ;->
 
...just a thought.

Jim
I disagree completely.
 
To mke my virtual tours more sellable, I provide working webpages with the Java Viewer and supporting files all included. The template I use is a simple layout and all the webmaster has to do is drag & drop the contents of a CD I deliver into a folder in the the website they're working on and and then edit the pages to look like the rest of the website.
 
The easier we virtual tour photographers make it for the webmaster, the more the webmaster will like working with us and will tell our mutual customer how easy it was to incorporate our work into the website. That will get us more work

Jim
Telling the webmaster that hosting the images is their problem, is a sure way to have them bad mouth a VT photogapher and VTs in general, every chance they get.

Hi Doug!
 
As I read Mike's post he was talking about the web "developer" which I read as the person creating/designing  the web site. I have always handed off my quicktime files directly to the designer and they incorporated these QTVRs into their design. I also edit videos and hand them off to web designers as quicktime files - they've always done what ever conversion was required and done their own HTML incorporating these videos. I've never had a request to do otherwise.
 
If the designer's expectation is different from this then certainly one wants to go with the requests... and if it was, then getting into a non-productive dialog such as "it's your problem" is not what I was suggesting.
 
What I read in Mike's note was he was not familiar with the whole HTML/Flash prep routine - and I didn't see why he as a panographer had to deal with this topic as a matter of course - any more than I expect to see color corrected images from my clients for the graphic design side of my business.... great if they do it, but I don't have a problem if they don't. I see this as part of my job, one reason why they use my services.
 
Clearly your experience is different here.
 
 
Mean while back at the ranch...
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So far Mike has not had a real answer to his question - sorry Mike to create an unnecessarily distracting reply in the first place!

Jim
I'm usually contracted separatly from the website developer so I get in touch with them to find out what they need.  
 
I don't have template pages for QuickTime or Flash formated images yet, but am working on them with a web developer friend of mine.  
 
But most of the web developers I've worked with weren't familiar with any of the Java Viewers and how to make them work, so it was much easier for me to get the working webpages from the sitiching software company's website, set them up and deliver a complete working package that incuded the necessary supporting files.
 
What's almost embarassing is most of the web developers make no changes to my pages other than a frame-over so their header is above the tour thumbnails.
 
The point I'm making to Mike is he can probably get sample pages from RealViz, or at least point his developer at some that he can capture and use as a guideline

hello guys,
 
it is fine to have a very own opinion. Everyone has a method which will work best for them so it is fine that you have yours.
 
I found this method on Realviz website ( http://stitcher.realviz.com/image- [...] ama-0.html ) so I'm gonna give it a try this weekend and see if I can produce any good "data" for my developer.
 
And on the Jim's note. I would love to produce just "raw" VR in Quicktime format and hand it to developer, but I made a mistake in a first place by telling them, that I'm able to produce my VR in all formats such as flash, java etc.  
 
It was a mistake from me, because I didn't read Stitchers export options properly and I get caught in between two poles - my developer and challenge to learn how to produce VR in flash format.
 
So before I will make fool of myself in front of my developer I would like to try it first.
 
I'll ask more sophisticated queston than.
 
If I produce VR in flash format as they Realviz describe above, would the VR be playable just in Pure Player and not Adobe (Macromedia) Flash player commonly used in browsers?
 
Thank Mike

Hi Mike,
 
The mistake a lot of people are making is you can produce a Flash (.swf or .fla) file for a 360 image which can then be taken DIRECTLY into the Flash authoring program and integrated into other .swf or .fla files. This isn't the case.
 
To clarify, the method above produces an encrypted .ivp file which is viewed using the PurePlayer Flash applet. So you ARE using Flash (version 9 and above) to display an image but the image itself isn't a Flash format file.
 
Using the method described above is a good solution for you. It allows you to hand over to a developer, in an "example" format, all they need to integrate into their own content. You don't need to worry about coding or HTML and the developers can see how the image is displayed and adapt the code to their own needs.

Hi Nightingal,
 
I was wondering if it all went smoothly for you trying to publish following the instructions from the Realviz website tutorial you linked to on 09-14 above...
 
I've tried for a few hours to follow the instructions together with Dreamweaver....no joy yet.
 
So...Has it worked for you Nighingal? Or has any forum reader successfully followed those instructions to publish a panorama with the PurePlayer Flash applet?
 
djaurand - any chance of receiving by e-mail the "working webpages with the Java Viewer and supporting files" that could provide some of us with a running start to get us over the publishing hurdle? (was that a mixed metaphor?) Or is that like asking someone to lend you their Ferrari? (I'm not sure if people guard 'code' like gold or if they give it away for free....both I suppose).
 
Thanks - Chris

Hi Chris,
 
It should be a straightforward thing getting your pano displayed in an html page using the Immervision Flash applet.
 
All you need to do is:
 
1. Generate your output file from RV Stitcher as a Pureplayer format, i.e. cubic or spherical .ivp
2. Choose the Publish option (if you are not using 5.6.1 you need to make sure you name the file correctly in the HTML code).
3. Add the file you just created and a location to save, giving a name to the page as well.
4. Add any extra info like a title of description (but you can of course edit this in HTML afterwards)
5. Save the output
 
If you want to test the display locally, you need to check the info on security settings for displaying Flash locally.
 
Upload your folder with all the content to your webserver via FTP and view the result.
 
Once you've got this working, you can then edit in Dreamweaver and change as required. If you want more functionality, you should consider getting PureTools from Immervision which allows more control over hotspots, lens flares initial FOV settings etc.

Chris
It probably won't help you because I still primarily use iPIX Interactive Studio and the Java Viewer in the pages is the iPIX Java Viewer.
 
But here's a link to the working webpages on a customers website. This is exactly what I deliver, the web master didn't modify the pages at all.
 
www.do222.com/iPIXIndex.htm

Hi badders,
 
thanks for that advice...it has in fact proven quite easy to get a pano displayed in an html page using the Immervision Flash applet, following your instructions above. (It may be worth pointing out to others that you must choose a template also - although that said if you don't choose one at the first try then RV Stitcher prompts you to!).
 
I think I'll look into the PureTools possibility you mention - I wonder if there are examples anywhere of just what can be achieved with them?
 
I'm finding as I look into this in general that it's quite easy to find examples of presentation styles I like, but it's not clear with what techniques they have been made. For example, the presentation of the panoramas on the Cheatham Lane site (http://www.cheathamlane.net/index.php?section=home) is amazing, but - what softwares were used? - how difficult would it be to get hold of the code and understand how to apply it? - is it possible to pay an expert to just set up a single pano like that and then re-work the code to use with others?
 
I  can see that it may be far more practical to build on first steps, as you are suggesting badders, but I'm wondering how many people are settling for what they can learn quickly and easily to do as opposed to getting what they would ideally have liked to have?
 
Hi djaurand - you're right, since you primarily use iPIX Interactive Studio etc. the code would not be of use to me. Very good quality panos though on the site! Thanks for that.
 
Thanks - Chris

Hi again badders,
 
I've just seen the panos you linked to in the recent 'fisheye lens' thread which were created using the PureTools you recommend. It's a clean, simple, unobtrusive set of controls. Not too little and not overkill. I might forget about anything fancier!

Hi
 
Im currently struggling publishing a ivp file that I have rendered from Stitcher 5.6.1. I have successfully published a quicktime + html to be displayed in a browser, but i cant seem to get the ivp one to work, the html will load and all i see is the pure player logo, but no pano! Can anyone help.

Hi SimonJudge
i had the same problem.. and after a couple of hours swearing and searching..  
it is the privacy setting of the flash player. Right mouse click on a flash video - settings - advanced setting - global security settings - add your computer hard drive or folder and it will work.
 
Ah.. and my Firefox did not enter the setting... so i had to use another browser for that..
 

Hi Chris, yes, i worked it out eventually, im now trying to get java pure player to open movies up straight away in full screen, which im puzzled over!